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Ian Harlen's avatar

Alexis, I appreciate your thoughtful and candid response to my comment.  However, from my seat on the sidelines, and opinions gathered from reading and discussing, rather than embedded in the diplomatic field of action, I still find it very hard to accept the defense of US foreign policy actions on a great many fronts.  I have to believe that in this dialectic we would ultimately reach consensus, as admittedly, below I am cherry-picking particularly egregious examples of errant U.S. foreign policy from my small purview, and perhaps I err in assuming (heavy on the "ass" part) that these examples prove the rule; whereas you can draw from a hundred examples of U.S. policy makers doing yeoman's work in providing meaningful foreign aid to a host of nations, and specific groups of people within them.  Be that as it may, when you mention being engaged in Nicaraguan politics during the Sandinista movement, can't we agree on that being a clear example of the U.S. promoting all of the wrong motives, and actors in the Somoza regime?  The nefarious methods used, and our goals just cannot be justified as "complicated politics," not the bloody Contras, and the attempt to return power to the dictatorial Somozas!  And what about our holding the people of Guatemala down for long decades, the motive being cheap bananas?!  As another example of US foreign policy run amok, can we justify the toppling of Mosaddegh in Iran?  And for what, to allow the Brits, and us (?) to continue extracting the natural petroleum resource wealth of that nation, while paying them a criminally small pittance?!  That example seems every bit as much of a bald-faced, even openly admitted, piece of evil work as anything trump has yet perpetrated abroad.  I am inspired by another of your reader's comments (Ira Genium) to state that the path to trump was a green brick road constructed by a host of former bad policy makers down through the ages.

Above are three examples, admittedly from the past, but how could we justify our actions in propping up Israel at the expense of the Palestinians--right through to very modern times?  I believe our foreign, and increasingly our domestic policies, are hamstrung by power hunger, and the ethos of the profit margin, driving corporate interests.  I'm sorry to speak in such vague generalities, and since politics is not my field of expertise, I may rue the night I decided to write this comment.  (What's that apt Abe Lincoln quote?: "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.")  Leaving my brain out of it, I will maintain that in my gut (the cleaner upper part), I feel that the U.S. has too often had its foreign and domestic policies corrupted by private interests at the expense of higher values.  I believe it was Noam Chomsky who said that rather than a real Democracy, our political system could be termed a "Corporatocracy."  Okay Alec, one too many late night brandies, and this is what you get.  Cheers, Ian.

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Francis Urquhart's avatar

G.K. Chesterton has one of my favorite quotes on this topic: “‘My country, right or wrong,’ is a thing that no patriot would think of saying. It is like saying, ‘My mother, drunk or sober.'” Patriotism is not blind loyalty, it means to me loving your country in spite of the flaws as you work toward a more perfect union. It is hard to see however that the U.S. Government is anything but a malign force in the world right now. I remember going places with my German grandmother when I was a little boy in the 1970s. At the time I didn’t understand what the occasional hostile stares were for when she spoke. Now I realize it was her accented English with the connotations of Nazism, even though she was actually a Holocaust survivor. I wonder if an American accent is going to be viewed in the same light as that of a German speaker after WWII when this dark period of our history ends.

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